enjoy this funny conversation!

hai friends...how are  we?

there was a share on facebook saying that 'eating broiler chickens with spice reduces the age of attaining puberty for girls'....i don't know if it is true or not...but i feel it is better to remain a veggie (i.e healthy and healthily prepared products of plants...not those products of plants and those prepared out of plant products which can cause damage to our organs immediately or in a long run...e.g few oils, fried veggies, high carbohydrate rich stuff like tubers (potato, yam etc)...not to resort to animal products (including milk, butter, ghee etc depending on the place of living (polar or tropic) and the quantity and frequency of intake...of course, the way it is prepared or cooked to eat also matters...so i shared it on fb...there was comment saying 'is it true?' then i typed the following...

Manickarajan Ramasubramanian yaarukkammaa theriyum!...but i know that our body has not evolved to digest non veg all the time in life...monkeys are only occasional mild non veg eaters.......also i feel they give more happiness when they are alive with their innocence than when they are dead with lots of masala on them!....so i just shared

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 after this there was post sounding 'monkeys eat raw...but we prepare the flesh, cook it, add masala which is good for digestion...so, nothing wrong in it...also god is right and he has created the food cycle...some over do it and some under do it...even vegetarians land up with high cholesterol and other diseases...'

so the reply is below...

 

 

Manickarajan Ramasubramanian ammaa thaaye...adikka varaatheengammaa...you said it!...'many over do it!'...whether vegetarian or non vegetarian, one who has not regulated anything which goes inside the MOUTH and MIND...who has not regulated what he munches in his MOUTH and MIND, can not be healthy, healthy and successful too!!...god has created food chain, fine!...he only has created many alternatives too for human beings!...why not we leave living organisms to animals, who do not have much of options, so that god's food chain is also regulated, executed in a realistic, logical and natural manner!...god said 'eat an animal in the natural habitat when you feel hungry so that you survive and not perish!...he did not say 'produce life, kill them and eat!'...he did not say 'eat for pleasure!'...he did not say 'you can kill the living organisms and eat when you are not hungry!'...he did not say 'kill more animals than what you need, store them in deep freezers and eat for pleasure whenever you feel like!'...if god's food cycle has to be executed, then why don't you stand inside the lion's cage in a zoo?...feed yourself for animals?...you want to have natural death to complete the food cycle...you don't want to become a food for others!!!....whereas you want all the living organisms on earth, other than you, to be come a prey for you!...you don't want other organisms to have their natural death...you want them to be 'killed' by you...you want to live long by taking medicines, all sorts or protections, surgeries etc...delay the food cycle process...but other organisms should die!...you want to produce children, play, cuddle, enjoy being with them, and you prey to the god that they should live looooooooooong and you will not hesitate to take any step on earth to protect them...whereas, you mercilessly kill the young animals for tender flesh, not caring for the tears of 'animal moms'...why don't you feed your children to animals as food?...is there any mother who has fed her child to a hungry dying animal?....yennammaa logic ithu?...food cycle ithu?...food cycle has to happen naturally...not artificially....god's plan is always right...those who interpret for us are wrong...so, our understanding is also wrong...why are we not using our brains to understand?...why are we dependent on others to understand anything?...animals don't kill other animals when they are not hungry...in fact panthers cuddle and play with deers...there is a video on my wall where a lion kills a monkey to eat, but when it sees a baby monkey on its belly, it forgets about its hunger and goes on to protect the baby monkey!!!...no living organism can beat a dog in giving unconditional love...they fight amongst them for food only when they are hungry...human being kills ruthlessly all living organisms including trees for 'comfort' and 'pleasure'...he fights and kills his own race for his own 'comfort' and 'pleasure'...he destroys Nature, the real god, who has produced him!...so, who is an animal?...HUMAN BEINGS ARE THE WORST ANIMALS ON EARTH!!!!...they will destroy this beautiful earth created by nature one day with all their wrong logics and beliefs!...so, let us revise our learning madam!...let us allow the food cycle to happen naturally! (ammaa thaaye...adikka varaatheenga...i am not angry...it is only a healthy discussion!)

 

 

so, the crux is....

 

1. food we eat varies from place to place depending upon the climatic conditions, heredity and the way our body organs have evolved to accept it or reject it

 

2. anything which is good for health is good

 

3. nature has created the food cycle to occur in natural process and environment...killing other living organisms for pleasure is something which every human being has to think about!...similarly killing other innocent organisms for our survival also can be thought over it depending on the circumstances we are in at that moment and the options available.

 

4. let us allow the earth also to die its natural death...and let us not 'kill' it!

 

hope you all agree...

keep rocking guys and gals...bye!

rams

are the aged people in our homes a curse?

hai friends...how are we?...missed me?...or no?...

anyway...here is an interesting post....

yesterday i visited a house...a bed ridden grandmaa of 95+ years was requesting her daughter-in-law to shift her bed to the living room...daughter-in-law is her own grand daughter!!...her point was 'she is laid in a 'forgotten' room' and is not able to see any of her children...when she said this her son, her daughter, all her grand and grand grand children were happily watching the tv programme in the living room...and tv was her only entertainment at home till two days back when she fell down and became bed ridden...daughter in law said many visitors visit the living room and her son is due for marriage...so those who want to see the boy and the family also visit the house...if the grand ma's bed is shifted to the living room then it will not give a pleasant environment in the living room...when she said this the grand ma also agreed and requested for shifting to another room from where she can not watch tv or participate in the social dynamics at home, but can at least watch her children moving here and there...this was agreed to and she was shifted...

this grandma got married at the age of 14 and till date her life has been only her children, grand children and great grand children...feeding them, cuddling them, even cooking, washing, cleaning, cutting vegetables etc, giving only love to all...till two days back when she fell and got bed ridden...now she is not able to remain away from them!

i am unable to understand this belief in our society...can any one educate me?

what is the wrong in she being there when visitors visit the house?

what is wrong in telling the visitors or those who visit the house to see the boy or family (for marriage fixing) 'sir, welcome!...this is me, my wife, my son, my daughter and my sisters and their husbands and children...and here is my mom, who is the pillar of our family, fulcrum of our happiness and without her, we all are not here!...she is 95+ and bed ridden. If she was young and healthy she would have been talking and conducting the entire proceedings of this ceremony. But she has lost her hearing, speech and strength to sit, stand or walk. But can see what is happening around. I want her to see her grand son getting engaged. Nothing happens in our house with out her blessings. So, she is here on her bed. Shall we start the proceedings?'

any thing wrong in saying this?...anything wrong in keeping the 'aged people on bed' as part of the ceremonies?...will the visitors see them as 'not a good sign' to ahead with a function or marriage or reject the proposal?...or will they underestimate the status of the family?...why our people keep them away from such visitors or functions?...why are they deprived of the happiness of being there?...can such functions or ceremonies happen again for them?...in fact, most of the aged people say they are living only to see such occasions of their children...even my own grand mother was not allowed to be in my marriage function, her only grandson's marriage function, about which she had dreams all through out her life because her son in law died just 5 days back!!!

such a situation can happen to that daughter-in-law or any one in that family...why we don't think about such situations?...why we treat 'aged and bed ridden' people as sign of 'unpleasantness' or 'sadness' or '---------'?

why...why...whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy?...what a bloody society, social system, social customs / traditions and way of living we have created? 

sadddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd!

rams

"I have got 10 arrears in semester exams!"..."I am repeatedly failing in my school annual exams!"...Can i succeed in life???

hai guys and gals...how are we?

i received a mail from the boy who wanted to go to NASA saying he could not find out any information about organisations or people or institutions associated with NASA through google...such information will not be available in google readily...

we have to use a technique for that...i.e you type some information saying 'saturn rings shower rain on saturn'...or you just write 'findings of _____'...fill the blank with some planet or start or satellite etc...type this in google...you will find some news or some article...in that you will find so and so has done this research...or so and so university has done this researching and found this...so and so organisation has done this research etc...you type 'researches on mars' in google, you will get many links where names of organisations, people, institutions etc will be there...

for e.g yesterday i.e 12 apr 13 The Hindu news paper, on first page, Coimbatore edition, left hand top corner, it is written that Nasa is funding University of Leicestor, England for carrying out research on Saturn, and they have found out that Saturn rings are showering rain on saturns surface…now we know one univ which is supporting nasa…like this we have to get the information…at some other place we might get the name of some scientist or university or research lab which is doing something for nasa….
I hope you can find now more information and tell me later the list of univs or orgs or people…will you?

you make a tabular column saying sl no, name of the institution or r&d lab, facilities, research efforts, area of focus, contact details of people etc so that in once glance at the tabular column we will get all the info...do that and send it to me...you can improve the table with more columns depending upon the information you find...

so this is the way to get more details...

for all those who want to see Prof S Narasimhan's photo (the man who produced world famous aerospace scientists including Dr APJ Abdul Kalam for about 36 years(!!!) during mid of last century when wright brothers flew the first aeroplane in early last century), visit funnyrams.blogspot.com...you can see his photo...of course, some of my photos too along with him...

many students fail in many subjects at college level and think they are worthless...they give it up...they even commit suicide...most of them are good students at school level scoring 100 out of 100 or nearby...these successful students become failures at colleges due to distractions...for the reasons of 'not interested in the subject'...'not liking college and hostel'...love affairs...too many social relationships and unable to meet the demands of their friends...poor economic background...getting addicted to social networks...booze...smoking...pubs...parties...sex...etc...

some are poor with less intelligence even at school level...so both the students and parents feel upset and decide something low in their life...

my opinion is, 'failures in exams or subjects' is not an indicator of our future life...i know may students who got arrears...loads and loads of arrears...doing well in life!...by this i am not recommending all to fail in exams...!...what is required is we should not give up. In my own personal life i have made many students who kept on failing in subjects or school times to continue education...they may not clear 10th std at the age of 15...so what?....they may not clear their bachelor's degree at the age of 20 or 21...so what?...they might take little more time...by months or years...so what???...no one lives here for 100 years...what is the guaranty that the first ranker, gold medalist, IITian or IIMian will not die at 45 or 50?...why not these failure cases live upto 80 or 90?...so losing one or two years or even more is not a problem...no loss of life or time or money...the time lost or oppurtunities lost or money lost can be compensated, if we are focused, bull headed, burn with fire of succeeding in life, have good physical, mental and social health habits....

i have many examples of such cases...one who kept on failing in school days is now a BCom, MBA and MSc  earning about 30 thousand at the age of 28...another girl of the same category is now DCE, BTech, MBA and lecturer in a college...my class mate who failed in many maths papers completed his masters, mphil and phd in maths and has grown from lecturer to HOD to secretary and director of group of (arts, science, engg and mgmt) institutions only due to own personal efforts and skills i have listed below!...another classmate who failed in chemistry completed his masters, mphil and phd in chemistry and has written many books in chemistry!!!..they are fine examples of not giving up in life!

i never passed in maths till half yearly of 10th std...you know what i am now!...there are many who got arrears in college days but became not only successful but became great achievers in life...best e.g is Dr APJ Abdul Kalam!!!

in my class we were 40 at MIT. The wealth, fame and hierarchical positions reached in organisations is not commensurate with the marks we got in college...some of the top rankers are low on the above scale of measurement...some of the 30 to 40th rankers are at top positions...it is not just the knowledge that makes a person successful...it is the

1. hardwork
2. skills
3. overall personality with high EQ and SQ
4. moral values and ethics
5. spear headed
6. zeal to learn throughout life
7. good managerial and leadership qualities

which make a person successful in life. Marks, ranks, gold medals etc can help only to get the first job!...after that they don't have any value unless they are supported by your skills...in fact they might dig your own grave if not supported by the skills...if you say you are a gold medalist and they find you do not have stuff in you during interview, then your own gold medal will dig your grave!

so, even if you have 10 arrears, don't faint!...clear them in multiples or even one by one...no problem!!...'clearing' is what is more important than 'when'!...using the technique prof s narasimhan mentioned in this speech, i.e by doing mtech and phd, we can always get a job...teaching job is guaranteed as there is...and there will be...always a shortage there for ever. By teaching we can improve our knowledge and communication skills and get our dream job...if not at 21, but certainly at 27 or 28 after phd and teaching...in the worst case...even before is possible if we put in little effort...21 or 28 does not matter when we don't know when our life will finish...at 50 or 70!!!...some '28's even cross 21's in wealth and promotions at 50...it is a marathon over a period of 30 or 40 years starting from 21!...in a marathon who starts first is not an issue...who reaches the end point first is the issue!!!...21s with compromises and sacrifices...and due to less EQ and SQ (as intelligence increases, EQ decreases...a proven truth!), many don't reach the goals...28s with high EQ and SQ can easily cross the 21s...of course, 21s don't have mtech and phd...whereas 28s have that!!!!

even if children are continuously failing, no problem!...let them continue...they will pass one day and even become great achievers!!!

buddha was not buddha at the time of birth or during child hood!
Dr APJ was not Dr APJ at the time of birth or even when he was at MIT!

today with so much of freedom in education, through open universities and distance education, i don't think anything can be hurdle, other than the individual!!!

all my schooling was without fees..in tamil medium...and even today we can study without fees in corporation schools...in english medicum...or with minimal fees in average schools...books are same for all students...question paper is same for all students...every one can score 100 out of 100...it is up to us how much we grab!...we can not blame others or system!

during my school days in 1970s all relatives and visitors said 'today education has become a business!...one can not dream to get an engg seat without 2 or 3 lakhs!'...these statements are spoken not only in 1970s but even today...will be there forever!...but not true!...my parents and relatives were a great source of discouragement...but i was adamant...and got seat through national merit in entrance exam for MIT...even at psg i got admission through merit...parents paid fees only for my bsc at psg...MIT fees was sponsored by my employer...so, economic condition is not a reason!...most of my mit class mates or batch mates were from very poor economical background of not even guaranteed of two meals a day, sleeping in open places, temples, etc!

why study at mediocre institutions in india...we can even study at Standford USA or Massachusetts Inst of technology USA or any other Ivy League univ of USA sitting here on line...free of cost...and get their certificates...!!!....

www.coursera.org is the place where you can study courses of 62 top universities of the world including Stanford.

www.edx.org is the place where you can study courses of Harvard or Massachusetts or any other top univ in the world...

NPTEL is another indian place where we can learn...even IITs have posted their study materials or e-learning materials, videos, tutorials on line...

so, the crux is...it is up to us what we want to become...our intelligence or IQ or economic condition of family are not the barriers...what we need is all that i listed above to become successful in life...the 'will' to succeed!!...not the marks or passing in exams or gold medals etc...remember, this i am telling for the weak students...not to demotivate high IQ students...but to motivate the high IQ students to improve their EQ and SQ and other qualities listed above...to tell the high IQ students not to be 'over confident' and 'under estimate' low performers!

ok guys and gals...bye...keep rocking!

rams

some photos...

hai friends...how are we?

In my previous post i had mentioned about some great personalities...here they are...

there are six photos here...the top most photo...me along with my NSS volunteers...at MIT, chennai...any one who identifies me in that photo will get a gift!!!

second photo...PDA valedictory function...MIT...first from left is self, Dr. S. Sathikh, the Director of MIT, Prof S Narasimhan (about whom i mentioned in my previous post....some information on him is on net...at this link...

[PDF] 

Information pasteboard Nov 2004 - National Aerospace Laboratories

www.nal.res.in/pdf/swarna8.pdf....
 the details are at the end of this post...)

next is Prof KV Narayanan (KVN), a bachelor who ensured that all the students are married to their subjects and profession!...he lives in the hearts of many!

Next photo is another NSS function...one day workshop on eradication of social evils...here too, any one who identifies me will get a prize!

next black and white photo is me, Dr Sathikh and Mr S sripal, Inspector General of Police...when he came for the guest lecture at a PDA function...later he became DGP of tamil nadu...i was the chairman of PDA.

Next photo is again NSS one day work shop on eradication of social evils...third from right is student Jayakumar singaram...a simple soul and my good friend at MIT, who reached to a level of MIT, USA...you can type his name in google and see his achievements.

last photo is me, getting the State level shield for social service, awarded by TTK foundation, at Music Academy, chennai...awarded by Mr Ravindran, DGP.

if you feel there is some achievement, all the credits go to the guys whom you see around me in photos...and not there in the photos...of course, most of the credits go to Prof KVN, Prof J Shanmugam (works presently as Director at Kumaraguru college of technology, coimbatore), Prof Ganapathy, Prof A Nagarajan, Prof Dr sathikh

among students it is Late L Palaniappan, a good soul and great driving force behind all the events of NSS and PDA, son of Union Minister P Chidambaram's brother...no one can believe that he is from the political family back ground, looking at his simplicity, down to earth personality, high morals and ethics...he was violet against corruption, social evils etc...

next is Ilango Krishnamoorthy, who is now at New Zealand...shailendra khare...and a big gang of good souls of high moral values and ethics.

bye guys...keep rocking...

rams






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Dr A P J Abdul Kalam's vision
It now appears certain that Dr A P J Abdul Kalam will be
elected the 11th President of India.
Swarnalatha R of Structures Division
recently attended a lecture by Dr
Kalam in which he outlined his
technological vision for 2020.
Over the Easter weekend, Dr A
P J Abdul Kalam, Professor of
Technology and Societal
Transformation, Anna
University,
*Prof S Narasimhan
Prof S Narasimhan is a
much-loved figure among
the MIT faculty, alumni
and students, having
taught at the aeronautical
department for a
phenomenal 36 years.
During his lecture, Dr
Abdul Kalam reverentially
recalled the two years
when he studied
structures under Prof SN.
Incidentally Prof SN was
himself present at the
lecture.
delivered the Prof SN's*
60th Birthday
Endowment Lecture
organized by the
Department of
Aeronautical Engineering,
Madras Institute of
Technology, Chennai, to
a predominantly
under-graduate
audience. He spoke on
'Aerospace Systems: A
Perspective' - which we
realised was really a peek
into his second book
Vision 2020.
Dr Kalam's lecture presented a compelling Indian
techno-logical scenario for the year 2020: "once
the core technologies are given due thrust, the
people's lives would change due to IT,
biotechnology and space technology", he
remarked, adding that "nano technology and
micro devices should also have matured and
taken over".
Dr Kalam also introduced a new statistic to
measure technology penetration: "value addition
per worker". An Indian worker, he explained, had
a 'value' of only about Rs 200 while his Korean
counterpart was worth Rs 1600 (even workers
from Malaysia, Philippines, Thailand had values
above Rs 200). "Our value will go up once we
raise Indian design content", he said.
Some vignettes from Dr Kalam's vision:
Space technologies will, among other things,
Some Moments with the Essence
of Greatness
Anyone who has read "Wings of Fire"
will first be struck by the
down-to-earth attitude
of that illustrious
author-personality, who
reached heavenly
heights of greatness. So
was I, not only on
reading the book, but
also throughout the
afternoon of 30 March
2002. Dr Abdul Kalam was on his way
to Madras Institute of Technology,
Chennai, to deliver Prof SN's 60th
Birthday Endowment Lecture, the
eleventh in the series, at 3.00 p.m.
Notwithstanding a detour of about 4
km, imposed due to extensive
construction work off MIT main gate,
and a long wait at a level crossing, Dr
Kalam arrived in time at the Rajam
Memorial Hall - to a standing ovation
from the assemblage of students,
faculty and alumni of MIT. (As an
alumnus of MIT, I was on the same
route headed to the same venue,
following the motorcade). His
20-minute talk touched upon his
vision for India in 2020.
An informal get-together followed, at
the Aeronautical Engineering
Department library, where the
warmth of the ambience and the
presence of a national figure did much
to take one's mind off the hot and
humid Chennai afternoon. Of course,
there it was more like an alumnus
coming to his roots than a VVIP
"sparing his precious time to be
amidst all of us..." routine. Those
present included faculty and their
families, other alumni like self: there
ensued several introductions. When
my turn came, I drew my husband
forward and we introduced ourselves.
When Dr Kalam heard of my
Commission in the Air Force, he
recalled the time that he had
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enable 100 million phone connections and
real time universal language translation.
Communications will assume another
dimension with an aero-telecom network
Microelectronics will play a key role with the
usage of MEMS and application to
convergent digital technologies in education,
e-commerce and entertainment.
The dream of a hyperplane with a 15%
payload factor should take shape.
Antiballistic missiles, networked to satellites
and capable of killing nuclear weapons, will
be part of national defence.
Information warfare will dominate future
war and prove more lethal than nuclear
warheads.
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appeared at the Dehra Dun Selection
Board but was not selected ("Wings of
Fire", pp 22-25). My husband is a
logistics officer in the IAF and hence
aware of the totally different cup of
tea that is frontline defence. He later
remarked that had Dr Kalam been
successful then, India would never
have achieved all she did once Prof
MGK Menon and Dr Vikram Sarabhai
discovered this failed recruit!
I had carried my copy of "Wings of
Fire", signed and lovingly gifted to us
by my father. This same copy is now
Dr Kalam also revealed three cherished Indian
dreams close to his heart ("I wish they take
concrete shape after the success of GSLV and
LCA"): the hyperplane, the deep penetration
strike aircraft (DPSA) powered by a supersonic
combustion jet engine and the supersonic
passenger jet.
Firmly asserting that national development is
above geo-politics ("all of us must share this
dream of a developed India by 2020"), Dr Kalam
said: "thinking leads to progress; non-thinking
leads to the destruction of individuals,
organizations, and nations".
infinitely more priceless: the author
himself autographed it with a few
very kind words! Dr Kalam left some
time later, after talking individually
and severally to all who approached
him. We left a good 10 minutes
behind the motorcade, only to find
ourselves once again behind it at the
same level crossing! One was struck
anew by the ordinariness of an
extraordinary human!
Swarnalatha R

for all those who are in teaching / training at schools, colleges, universities and of course, students, who aspire to be in this profession!

hai friends, how are we?

this mail is exclusively for students, teachers, professors, scientists, engineers and all those who are in the profession of TEACHING or TRAINING!...in schools, colleges, universities, organisations....as to how they should groom themselves or how to plan their career...

for those who ask 'are you qualified to speak on this?'...i have been a student at two of the best engg colleges of the country...have worked with teachers and professors in schools and colleges in labs, setting up training or lab facilities, seen their plight, heard their grievances, have been a student attending classes at various universities all through out my life, and still i am (when i enter the class room or exam hall students think Professor or Examiner has come and get up...and when i go and sit with them saying 'i am a student!' they laugh!!...'old' student and 'oldest' student of PSG Tech!!!), have been a professor myself, a hostel warden, HOD, Registrar, Controller of examinations and vice principal of the asia's largest institution meant only for aeronautical engg with 125 faculty ex IITs and IISc and with students from abroad. In fact all this is not necessary to write the following...just a three year study in any college is sufficient...!!

the mail might sound to be relevant to only teachers in a college, but it can be applied to teachers in schools also....

Prof S Narasimhan, Ex IISc, Professor and Head of the Dept of Aerospace engg at MIT for about 26 years (!!!) who has taught many famous scientists and engineers spread all over the globe, including Dr APJ Abdul Kalam (who, once when he was the chief guest of a convocation at Anna Univ, was moving up to the stage along with Chancellor (governor of TN), VC and other dignitaries, sites Prof SN amidst the audience, turns back and rushes to the audience, when every one was stunned and wondering 'what the bloody hell is happening here!!!'...seeing chief guest running down the stage and rushing to audience...finding his way to reach the prof amidst chairs and people, touches his feet, takes his blessings and comes back to stage!!!)...

wofff..introduction has taken so much...anyway, I also had the privilege of being his student...the point here is, once he narrated 'how post graduations and doctorates came into existence'...here it is...verbatim...

'there were about 30 students in that graduation class...only 10 of them got jobs...remaining did not know what to do...institution also felt they have to do something...to add to their knowledge so that they can get job later...so they created a course called MTech...made them to study for two more years...out of 20 only 08 got jobs...12 remained...both students and institution puzzled...they started MPhil so that they can learn more to get jobs...after that also only 04 got jobs...again scratching...they decided to start PhD and all 08 were grilled...after that also only 04 got...o4 remained unemployed...again scratching...then the institution decided to employ them as lecturers in the same institution so that they are forced to study while they teach the students!!!'

i don't know if he said this as a joke or real thing that happened, but i understood the following from this:-

1. all weak students can follow this approach to improve their knowledge, qualifications, communication skills and public speaking ability so that they can get a job, earn stipend or salary during the above process and earn qualifications which will pay them throughout their life.

2. PhD is a must to get promotions till the top in academic world

3. once we have decided that teaching is our profession we should invest knowledge in this business of making money, getting fame and respect in society and producing many students and followers. We should not enter or remain in this profession with lesser qualification than PhD.

4. any student should not stop his studies saying 'i am happy with my graduation. I got job. I am earning to make my living. That is enough!'...as  continuous studies only will make him move forward and upwards in his profession. The day he stops learning, he becomes a dead body, redundant, obsolete and unwanted in any organisation.

(hey guns and roses! don't draw negative corollaries from the Prof's talk that 'professors are left overs in their classes!!!'...that is not correct...may be such courses might have come up like that or due to the need for higher level of knowledge in institutions, organisations and for the country's growth. But let us draw only positive corollaries!!!)

I have seen many school teachers or college lecturers crying and delivering substandard teaching service with cribs like 'I am not promoted!'...'I am not given that coveted appointment (HOD, COE, Principal, VC etc)'...Is it right?...i have seen many of them really not deserving what ever they have been cribbing for...all of them have not got  what they are cribbing for because  1. they never aspired for it    2. as they have never aspired they never prepared themselves with the 'potential'...they only 'performed' which is only a necessary condition and not sufficient condition.

Let us see what all a lecturer can do...

1. become a good teacher

2. become a good researcher

3. become a good academic manager

4. become a good administrator of a academic institution or university

now, what is the meaning of each?...whether one can become master of more than one above?

in my definition 'good teacher is one who can make a dull student to understand more difficult theories in minimum time'...today we have to teach sooooo much in less time...not just lecturing, but to ensure that students understand to the level of the teacher about the subject. So, it is not so easy. The teacher has to spend lots of time downloading / preparing CBTs, clips, videos, PPTs, tutorials, questions and answers, solving all possible types of problems and more problems, refer all books under the earth on the subject, refer all research publications (to teach latest), making working models to explain difficult theories, making simulations, conducting experiments in labs, taking them to field visits, industries...the list goes on...he has to spend lots of time to make his teaching / training material simple, best, exhaustive, user friendly etc...even if he has taught the subject for many years, he has to add information, prepare, because every day new changes do happen in the subject, even if it is a fundamental science like physics or chemistry or bio...without this, i am sorry to say that no one can do justice to his profession.

the crux is it is not easy to be a good, 'students liked', 'industry preferred' teacher unless he toils his mid night oil and spends the whole day with students, labs, internet, computer etc. It requires time, focus and efforts.

some are interested in research...so they do lots of research, industry sponsored projects, guide phd scholars (real guidance spending days and nights with them in labs), publish lots of papers in national and international journals, attend and present papers in conferences and seminars all over the world...so they add value to the dept and institution in another dimension...they may be good teachers too...but they don't have time to do all that is required to be a good teacher of today's world...without doing all i said above they can not be good teachers...if some one takes hours to make a dull student understand a difficult theory i don't grade him or her as a good teacher...so, lots of research is required to be a good teacher...to find out thousand ways to make him understand one difficult or simple thing!!

some are good academic managers...i.e they can manage all the academic processes in a dept or college well...right from finding out the needs of industry, making a syllabus, getting it approved, getting study materials made...to...examinations, entering marks and what not?...they can manage all the teaching and clerical staff well, keep all happy, ensure that all classes are handled well by people, ensure students conduct well, handle all grievances of students and parents...even staff...so, other than teaching and research they can manage everything under the sky of an educational institution...may be they can teach well also...may be they are good researchers also...but they don't have time...as either they like management more than the others...or the institution wants him or her to do it...

all of us in an institution do all the above in some proportions...some less teaching, more research and less management...some more teaching, less research and average management...like this all probabilistic combinations are possible...

We should be very clear when we start our career...as to what we want to become in life...

a good teacher?

a good researcher?

a good manager?

a good administrator?

a good teacher who is less in research and management can not expect to become a HOD or above, as this job requires more of management than teaching or researching. Of course, he or she should have done research and got a PhD so that they know what is research all about to mange PhDs, research scholars and internal and external projects of the department.

similarly a good researcher who may or may not be a good teacher can not expect to become a HOD or above, as he also might not have spent enough time in management or may not be interested in doing management of academic processes.

so, in case one's aim is to become a HOD then he or she should complete PhD, be a good or average teacher and spend lots of time in management of academic processes in the department.

If the aim is to become a GOOD Principal or VC, then one has to expose himself or herself to management of academic processes in the dept, experience of a hostel warden, controller of examinations, conducting seminars, conferences and workshops...i.e everything other than teaching and researching!...it does not mean that we should not teach or research...as PhD is a must to become a Princi or VC...and also he or she should have taught subjects till becoming HOD to understand the difficulties of teaching a subject and all academic processes involved as a teacher...i am only saying that they are only necessary conditions and not sufficient conditions.

Many join teaching after MTech, enjoy their salary, enjoy teaching and continue teaching only...with minimal interest in research or management or administration and after a decade or so feel bad that they have not been promoted.

Many get involved in research and later on crib that they have not been promoted.

Many get involved in only writing books and crib that they have not been promoted.

So, all teachers...we need to know what we like, what we enjoy, what we want to be in future, what is our aim etc very clear from the beginning and accordingly prepare...not only 'perform' but also 'potentially' become deserving for the next post or elevation.

so, what you want to become?...a good teacher...a good researcher...a good manager or a good administrator??

ok guys and gals...we will discuss more about the career of teachers and trainers later...

bye...keep rocking...

rams

How to reach NASA? - Part II

  

hai friends...how are we? ("what is this man! you send mails almost every day and ask how are we?...as if we have not interacted for

a long time!!!)

other day, after sending that mail "How to reach NASA?", with in 30 mts i got a mail, from one of the students doing project at ISRO...that the mail has fired the rocket engines and the student is now motivated towards NASA!...good.

got a mail from a budding scientist who has published two papers in international journals after btech and waiting to join the famous labs at Germany!...he refused mtech and job and is focused to join the labs at germany...great!

also i got a mail from a classmate saying that interested students can be guided and helped through engineers and scientists working at NASA...what more we want!!!!

but i have decided that unless some sizable progress is made by the students, with respect to knowledge and collection of details as i have said, no more help!...there are many student 'ducks' who will not move their butts and expect us to burn our butts!...no way!

one got furious and asked 'why NASA?...why not in india???? '

It is clear that US and Russia are pioneers in space research...they have much more experience, technology and infrastructure with respect to this field...US is about 300 year old growth...india is only 65 years of growth...within this small time we have done certainly better...but it is better and wiser to go to NASA, get that knowledge, experience, technology and contribute here in india...the visionary Tamil poet Bharathi also says 'yettu thikkum selvom...kalai selvangal yaavum konarnthingu serpom'...thanks to my tamil medium corporation school syllabus which taught me all these...

எட்டு திக்கும் செல்வோம்
கலை செல்வங்கள் யாவும்
கொணர்ந்திங்கு சேர்ப்போம்

which means 'let us all go around this earth and bring all sorts of knowledge to our country'...it includes science, technology, arts, cultures etc etc...he did not say 'wealth'...pl note!!!...so, leaving the country for making living or learning more and better knowledge etc is not wrong...as we have been created by nature with a word that 'the whole earth is yours!...you have the right to use with a responsibility to replenish whatever used and give the same right to others also'.

in my personal opinion, there is nothing known as brain drain as the country is second largest populated country and has the potential to produce even another 'world of people'!...why not we increase our capability to provide good food, clothing, place to live, good education, moral values etc, produce more children and send them all over the world as a good 'human resource with values and morals' for a family, society or any organisation. This way, the whole world will become india one day!!!

ok,now the next mail...

one of the friends had asked how to 'remain' motivated all the time?

following are the possible things one can do...

1. ensure that you have a separate room for you. Fill the walls with photos of planets, galaxies, rockets, satellites, famous space scientists, astronauts, cosmonauts and such other information and photos related to space.

(when i got motivated during 1979, we, six of us lived in one room of 8ftx8ft. There was no space for anything. so, most of the time i remained at school lab. As i belonged to second batch of +2, there was no bio lab...no specimens. We were asked to make. So, i killed all the frogs and field rats...motivated the killer boys to get more frogs and rats by giving them one 'kamar cut' or 'then (honey) mittaai'...i.e one local cheap country mint. Our bathroom, which was shared by three families, became my operation theater. The wall rack of 3ftx3ft became my lab. The top rack had all god photos...my mother's temple! The next rack had all my medicine books (as i wanted to become doctor...neuro surgeon...motivated by the articles by Dr B Ramamoorthy, the famous neuro surgeon of India)...these books covered all aspects of medicine like physiology, surgical methods, pathology etc...even MD students used to borrow and read!!!...the third rack had all my specimens of rats and frogs...you can imagine the formalin solution smell!!!...i was beaten up nicely many times for making the bathroom a mortuary (and smell badly) and making the pooja room(!!) a grave yard. Even neighbours complained!...But they could not throw me out from home as i was the only boy () and they felt 'he is up to something!'...as they could see a heart pumping, lungs working etc live, during my surgeries!! (if you want to see, then do this...locate a frog...cover it up with an empty bucket, so that it will hop only inside...insert a cardboard nicely at the bottom of the bucket...frog now sits on the cardboard...now reverse the bucket with cardboard lid on top...frog falls inside the bucket...pour two mugs of water...pour little formaldehyde...frog will jump for few seconds and rest...now quickly transfer it to a dissection board and cut open the body...you can see heart and lungs working...as frog is not dead and it is only sleeping!!)...alas!!! one frog will lose its life!

2. make it in such a way that you can see the sky from your room through balcony or roof...so that you are always aligned towards space. Go to the terrace or from your room watch the sky for at least 15 mts every day. Once one of my friend asked "why are you looking at the moon always?"...i said "i have not seen US. So, no problem if i have not gone there. I have not seen Australia. So, no problem if i have not gone there.

But i see moon every day. It is there. So, close to me. But i have never gone there!...this is what makes me sad!!'...the point is jesus has seen that moon. Prophet mohammad has seen it. Napoleon has seen it. Our predators have seen it. Every life on earth has seen it from the day earth has formed. We are also lucky to see that moon which has been seen by all. But...but...hmm...unable to go there!

recently one father asked his son "tell me what you want on your birthday!'. He said 'i want some thing from space!'...his father sent a gas filled baloon with a camera, transmitter and a GPS up in the sky to the space. Camera recorded the entire flight from earth to space and back to earth. GPS transmitted the location of fall. Later both father and son went there, which was just few kilometers away, collected the balloon and watched the entire journey of the balloon from to earth to space and back!!!...so he got a gift from space!...this video is available on youtube.

3. when you are at room keep reading information about your subject of interest as i told yesterday, you can watch videos, clips, ppts, tutorials, talks (e.g www.TED.com) etc...by NASA (if some other place e.g fermi lab...then accordingly by people and organisations related to that place)

4. spend more time in college libraries...downloading and reading research articles...reading journals...

5. sleep by 11. Get up by 5 am. 6 hrs night sleep is must for night metabolism, take out toxic wastes, as storing them without night metabolism will affect your health, remaining awake, remaining focused, moods etc.

6. Go for a jog of 15 mts or a fast walk for 45 mts. Allocate about 20 mts for yoga and about 15 mts of silent meditation in a day. Go for a run in the college grounds, or at home on a walker with windows opened. No A/C.

7. avoid wasting of time. carry books or print outs of published articles or journals wherever you expect wastage of time e.g standing in queue, waiting for some one etc. Use that time for reading. If not possible listen to good music. At least the stress will be burst.

8. work, entertainment and rest are must. Rest is through sleep. Work is studying and researching in labs, libraries etc. Entertainment...in less time you should be able to burn all the stress...so it varies from person to person...generally any art form is supposed to relieve fast...singing...playing an instrument...certainly i don't recommend boozing, smoking or dancing late nights in bars and hotels in polluted environment.

9. try to cut off all the relationships or people or places or organisations which or who demotivate you or waste your time, force you to compromise or sacrifice. If they are parents or siblings or close relatives, just tell them 'I love you. I look after you. I am indebted to you for everything you have given me. I will do everything for you. If you really love me, then allow me to pursue my passion. You be with me rather than asking me to be with you. Please allow me to uplift your generation. Bring name and fame to your family. The way you want to be who you are, allow me to be who i am!'.

10. spend less time on distractions e.g social networks or avoid if possible or convert them to your advantage towards reaching your goal by getting connected to real positive helping people. Spend more time with motivators, help and service providers who can keep you going in the marathon.

11. Be adamant towards reaching the goal. Be bull headed (after my 10th i got job in govt printing press. Those days govt job was a real treasure. So, there was tremendous pressure on me to join. But i was adamant to study! Even after my bsc the same story. But i remained adamant and that is what i recommend.)

12. marriages, child births etc are mundane issues. Can you tell me one boy or girl who has not attained puberty or not married or not produced children?...don't quote isolated cases!...but in our culture lots of time, energy and emotions are spent and wasted getting high BP, anger, frustration etc in getting children married. Parents are always anxious on these. In life we should never worry about things which will happen with certainty. We have to just do things necessary spending less time and energy. We need to be focused on things which do not happen normally or need extra push, hard decisions etc to make it happen in life.

13. eat balanced diet...more of fruits and vegetables...less carbohydrate...as lack of these would affect our concentration in studies, we will feel tired, sleepy, unable to get up from bed, not interested in studies (mood variations), get sicknesses like cold, fever, head ache, body pain, loose motion etc...if we can regulate what goes inside the MOUTH and MIND, we are sure to be happy, healthy and successful!!!

14. listen to inspiring people and speeches!

15. imagine that you are already a space scientist, then you will get a pressure that you have to live up to that and start reading...your outlook, personality, habits and behaviours will change...if you think you are just a student then your bahaviours will be commensurate to that only...i am sure you will agree with me that behaviours of students and scientists are different.

if any one has any specific query it can be answered...otherwise more will come in future on this issue...'how to remain motivated?'

if you find it useful visit and tell others also about funnyrams.blogspot.com

yesterday one girl was complaining that every day some guy or the other makes 'approaches' to her and she feels it is a big menace!...as i have been saying always 'nature has produced men like that'...they only approach 'youthful and healthy' girls...no one makes approaches to older women or unyouthful and unhealthy young girls!...only thing is we have to learn to manage and avoid them. Never talk more to them. Never divulge with personal and family details. Indicate them that you are not interested. I will send some tips in the next mail.

also i found a website for girls to 'lean on' when ever they have any problem of any sort (thanks to my friend who told me this!)...even big people like condoleezaa rice (ex US foreign minister who decides the fate of the whole world!) give opinions and share their experiences of looking after family, children, parents and profession too....it is 'leanin.org'....

in case you want to learn more about psychology from experienced people then become a member in 'the psychology network'...type this in google to get the link...here about 45000 psychologists all over the world discuss on all types of topics...you can also type your views...a great place of learning!

i get some brainwave or pressure in the mind to type about a topic...when i type that time it becomes a comprehensive mail with full coverage of the topic...but usually when i type i get some interruptions...and after that i can not complete that mail to my satisfaction as the unknown pressure has gone...there are about 60 such pending draft mails on different topics of studies, career, management and psychology!!!...hopefully i release them one day!

ok guys and gals...keep rocking...bye

rams

how to reach NASA?

 

Hai friends…how are we?

hope all of you are singing, enjoying the life and rocking!...at least, I wish, you are not like the TV serial characters or like our parents whose definition of living is ‘worrying’…definition of responsibility is ‘worrying’ ‘remaining serious’ etc...No wonder, they land up with all sorts of life style diseases like Hypertension, heart and blood vessel problems, high cholesterol, diabetes, organ failures or functioning with less efficiency!!!

Can anyone like or love or live with ‘TV character’ like suffocating personalities?

A girl or a boy at 20 is all full of love, happiness, positives, fun…so he or she is loved by the opposite sex…they get married…at 40 they change to ‘no love’, anger, frustration, shouting, no smiles, serious, no fun…obviously they hate each other…they become different and they are no longer the same people loved by the other person at 20. Now the relationship becomes boring, suffocating and frustrating. One among the reasons is ‘feeling aged’ and ‘feeling that ‘I should only display age related behaviours!’ to get respect from society!’…but the same person exhibits ’20 behaviours’ moment he or she meets a college classmate, irrespective of whether he or she is 40 or 80!...but to their spouse they exhibit ‘age related behaviours!’

Wofff…we can not change people who want to die everyday...let us leave them and come to the subject…

I was born and brought up in an area where poor people live…in a room of 10ft x 8ft where six of us lived. Amidst children of ‘rotten’ languages…playing all country games…the common language used by the angry mothers or ladies those days to call or address naughty boys like us was “Naasamaa ponavaney! Yengeyaachhum poi tholaiya vendiyathu thane!”…meaning “you spoiled brat!!!...get lost from here!”…after I grew up and joined BSc (App Sc) at PSG Tech, when I was spending my days and nights in labs, dwelling in my own world in space, thinking about stars or planets or astrophysics etc, whenever I heard these neighboring mothers saying ‘Naasamaa ponavane!”, I used to hear it as “NASA ponavane!”, meaning “one who became a scientist at NASA”!!!....the issue is, neither I became the first version nor the second!!!

This old incident came to my mind when a boy and his father landed up at my home yesterday saying “He wants to go to NASA. Please guide him sir!”.

The boy is a first year BE aerospace student at SRM university with 9.3 cgpa.

Though I have not gone to NASA, I just told him whatever came to my mind (though I have not gone to NASA, I have been to such nearly equivalent places elsewhere and had the opportunity to speak to some old engineers and scientists).

In case it is sounding right, then you can tell others about it and the blog. If wrong, please don’t forget to correct me, for the benefit of many.

Here we go….to NASAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Every human being, male or female, feels “How nice if am flying (in) this aeroplane!” at least once in his or her life, when she or he looks at an aeroplane.

Similarly every person involved in science wants to be a scientist at NASA! This feeling comes at least once in the life time.

Has every one gone to NASA?...NO!...why?...is it that they don’t have the intelligence?

I feel (my opinion!) it is not the intelligence!...it is because of following factors:-

1.Not converting the dream into action

2.Not knowing whom to ask and how to go about

3.No perseverance…losing interest and loss of sensitivity after some time

4.Lack of guidance

5.Compromises and sacrifices in life

6.Not ready to put in hard work

7.No support and encouragement from people around at home, college, among friends and relatives. Laughs and ridicules from others.

8.Fear of shame if the dream is not materialized

9.Fear of landing nowhere if not reaching NASA

10. They felt it is a very big goal and not possible to achieve

11. May be felt it is only for ‘Einstein’like people or ‘Americans only’

I think, with proper guidance, it is reachable. It may not be possible to fly like kalpana chawla or sunitha williams, as medical fitness is important in such missions, at least we can become a scientist or in some way a contributor to NASA, as an engineer or contractor or a supplier or designer or professor or scientist from outside institutions etc…

So, a student, who breathes NASA, eats NASA, drinks NASA, dreams NASA, converts the dream into action, who is self driven, who feels that it is an achievable goal, bull headed and focused in achieving the goal, continuously tries to find out the ways and means to go there, never loses the perseverance and sensitivity, has correct guidance, does not make any compromises and sacrifices in life with respect to achieving the goal, puts in his best hard work, gets all support and motivation from people at home, society, organizations, relatives and friends, who converts the discourages, ridicules and laughs in to positive driving force towards reaching his goal, does not feel anxious about not reaching there, does not think about ‘what society will think if I don’t reach there!’ and who is convinced that ‘average intelligence and hard work’ is enough to reach there and it is not required to be an Einstein or Edison to be there, will certainly reach NASA one day!!!

What is to be done?

One has to visit the website of NASA. Find out the details of educational qualifications and experiences required to join there. Their subjects of interest. Current projects. Any student projects, competitions announced. Problem areas being studied. Any possibility of entering there. Keep visiting the site often and finding out oppurtunities.

If possible find out the R&D organizations, Professional institutions, corporate organizations, contractors…in short PEOPLE or ORGANISATIONS who are associated with NASA.

No one can enter NASA without a Post graduation or PhD in engg or science or medicine or life sciences or astronomy etc. So, it is better to find out the institutions in US which are the best for your subject for MS or PhD. May be good universities from other countries which are generally acceptable to NASA may also be explored…GRE, TOEFL scores required, other criteria required to join there, costs involved to prepare for the financial planning, possibility of aids, concessions in fees, coaching centers with proven record (for GRE and TOEFL), agencies which can provide all the information about foreign universities and help to get all info from admission to visa.

Best way is to team up with the classmates or college mates or friends or relatives who are of the same age group and preparing for MS, GRE, TOEFL etc. This is an excellent methods as even if we lose interest, they will pull us up.

Communication in English is the first and most important. Fluency in English can be achieved by talking in English with everyone. At least with the person with whom we talk more in a day. Beggars have not gone to schools to learn the language they speak! Writing skills come by writing more. Public speaking skills come by addressing gatherings often. Take class to your classmates, to weak students or juniors in classrooms or hostels or under trees in campus. Participate in project or paper presentations and other skill development programmes.

Join with classmates who speak English.

Keep googling every day to find out the organizations, institutions and people who are associated with NASA.

No organization or person associated with NASA will show interest towards us unless we have ‘the stuff’ in us. How to get that ‘stuff’?

We have to identify the challenging subjects or problems in ‘space sciences and technology’…we cannot become masters in all the subjects related to space sciences, engg and technology…no one can become…so, we have to select one subject that interests us…it could be related to non electron or electron subjects…I think remote sensing, communication, image processing, digital signal processing could be broad electron subjects related to space sciences for ever…non electron subjects of broader in nature could be propulsion, structures, thermodynamics, fluid dynamics etc…or even life sciences, medicine etc…

We have to read, read and read books, research articles etc on these subjects and narrow down further to specific subjects/ topics which are real challenges in space studies…

We should have a laptop with all the time connectivity to internet so that we can keep moving towards NASA inch by inch every second. Climbing a hill temple is all about ‘moving up step by step’. No average human being can reach the top in one jump or one step. Even physically disabled can climb and reach the top. He might take more time. So, what? No one lives up to 100 years. ‘When’ we reach the top does not matter, only reaching matters. Climbing Everest is also ‘step by step’and no leaps.

We should organize our data on lap top properly so that we can reach the information needed instantly. It can have folders like ‘institutions’, ‘organisations’, ‘people’…’subject’etc…

Inside the main folders we can have sub-folders, sub-sub folders like ‘country wise institutions’ which can have details of all educational institutions in the world who deal with space engineering, maybe we can start googling from the top countries in space engg, US, Russia etc.

This can also give the details of labs, research facilities, courses, current researches, projects and people involved with their contact details…we can capture all these data.

In another series of folders, sub-folders and sub-sub folders we can store the googled data on design and research organizations / institutions involved in space engg…country wise…here again we can note the projects, subjects, problem areas being addressed, people involved…

Another folder with manufacturers, contractors, areas of work, etc…

Relatives and friends or ‘friends of friends and relatives’ who are in USA can be of good help to get details and contacts of all organizations, people etc.

So, to get the ‘stuff’ in us, we have to read, read and read…to get ‘identified’ by world community is to ‘publish research articles’…

‘stuff’ and ‘identity’are important to make ‘people’ and ‘organisations’ related to NASA to look at us…show interest towards us.

Best way is to publish a review paper on the subject of interest…review paper is all about ‘what has been done so far by researches in the world’…as we narrow down to topics in subjects also we can publish review papers e.g various techniques or tools used by different researchers to solve a particular problem.

Discuss with experienced and educated people on the subject…develop ideas and creative solutions to problems…improve skills and knowledge on creativity, intelligence etc through special interventions….visit famous institutions nearby on your own or through your college…in india one can visit IITs, IISc, MIT, IIIST (TVM), ISRO labs, DRDO labs, TIFR labs, VSSC, Private organizations who develop components, structural members, supply materials, provide lab facilities for testing etc to these organizations…

Visit the facilities there…talk to scientists, engineers, professors, phd scholars, ME students…develop contacts…

Once you publish papers, others will show interest on you…will be ready to collaborate with you…will take you for their projects and researches…

While in college participate in paper presentations…do mini and mega projects…every project can turn into many research papers...all related to your subject of interest you have chosen to go to NASA…at the end of your BTech, you should have at least one or two papers published in national space journals…one or two international journals…few mini projects…at least one mega project…preferably at VSSC or DRDO or ISRO or IITs or IISc etc…

With these achievements in your kit, you should go to US and do your MS. Being in US at a university ‘close to NASA’ in projects, recruitments etc will help to plan your projects, research and papers.

I think this way, one can certainly reach NASA or to an organization which supports NASA.

This article is not only to ‘reach NASA’….it can be extended to reach any organization in the world…to work, or research or study…

the dream could be to work at NASA or be a researcher at any of the labs in any part of the world or a professor at any educational institution or an academic administrator or a surgeon etc etc...

i think this is the route to reach the destination!

any comments or suggestions or improvements to this idea?

ok guys and girls...keep rocking...keep rocketing towards yours dream goals!...remember, never COMPROMISE or SACRIFICE...!!

rams

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